Furthermore, I want the seat filled by someone who will do the job correctly without worries of double-speak and controversy.

This has red-flag all over it.

your talking about politicians there is always doublespeak and controversy

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No comment... ok maybe just a small comment: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man, they should just get rid of everyones words/mottos/sayings and just focus on the real issues. Geezus.

Run Milwaukee... run.

Haha, at least your's isn't trying to put a fucking mandatory nationwide internet filter in place

http://filter-conroy.org/index.html

Goddamnit Australia, stop fucking it up so badly.
I wanted to visit you this summer, but goddamnit!

Oh yeah, Anakirob brought up that issue when he was still around.

yeah we could be saved depending on who gets what numbers after the next election. Fingers fucking crossed they will not get it put through

I'm rooting for you guys.

if i could be arsed i would link some vids showing how much of a no brained douche the dude thats spearheading it is

Such a fool, bottom of the line for YOU Conroy.

Had better be coming to Melbourne you scum bag

Give me three good reason to visit Australia in the near future.

Ready, GO!

its about to hit summer = bikini chicks on da beaches or dudes dependin what your into

local bands you have never heard of

crazy animals you can eat

Slappas
Drugs
Beats

HUGE-ASS SPIDERS

other than one, the big spiders are not the ones to worry about :P the little ones give you more trouble. But if you see a snake over here its generally bad so stay away lol

I would think snakes in general would be bad lawlz

girls in bikinies = we get a lot of those already... and in all different type of ethnicities/colours/sizes... are yours as diverse?

local bands = welcome to LA lololol

crazy animals you can eat = I don't eat meat :( otherwise this would have been a BIG plus :D

What are slappas?

We got plenty of beats and drugs, welcome to LA :D

well there are a whole heap of bands over here you would never have heard :P

slappas = aussie slang for a slut/whore

I have great interest in visiting Australia. Always have, actually.

Great interest, huh? ... such as economical interest, HMMM???

A Jew "wanting" to visiting Australia... you just know there's hidden agenda behind it.

Obviously.

IS AUSTRALIA FUCKING LA?

lol if you like the above in LA it's likely you will like the above in Australia.

spriggan is lying, slappas are nice wholesome girls who like to meet new people...

Sounds like my kind of girls then ;]

Yeah, something tells me I'd actually feel quite at home in Australia, for some reason... minus your accents, obviously :P

^ this.

Melbourne is a wonderful city (Gangland shooting on the w/e btw), its so easy to fit in and just find your own place. Very diverse and accepting. More so than other Australian cities I believe.

You know if you really think about it, it's grossly inequitable how much power media has over politics and governments.

Very much so, media hold too much power over politics and government.

Nope, sorry, that doesn't even make sense. Who is "they" and you're suggesting we eliminate the candidate's "words" but focus on "issues"? What does that even MEAN? Even if you extend it to mottos/sayings, you'd seriously suggest curtailing candidate's ability to use those? How would that NOT spiral out of control? Furthermore their mottos and sayings are almost always related to the issues with which they supposedly intend to deal.
The only reason this lady's motto was an issue is she was trying to put it on the ballot. The reason independent candidates are allowed words on the ballot is to explain their platform. How is a platform explanation a bad thing? I'd say it's HELPFUL and benefits smaller candidates.

Could you please explain what you mean? I'm not demanding a solution because that would be a dumb rhetorical trick (You can know something's a bad idea without knowing a better solution) but it would help facilitate discussion inasmuch as I'd know whether or not I agreed.

I do not honestly see an immediate solution to this that would not be intense censorship. What I'd see as a long-term solution would be better educating citizens in rhetoric and critical thinking skills. Don't forget that the "media" nowadays consists largely of citizens. The interconnectivity of our modern age is both a boon and a bane.

Mottos and saying are simply that.

They ultimately are pointless catch phrases to make you sounds more appealing. Ultimately it proves and describes nothing on what you're doing.

It's simply mindless propaganda bullshit.

Actions > words

Hurp.

I think Dahgrow was referring to how say, for example, how a big media outlet like FOX News had such a dramatic effect on a certain election, as we all may recall a bit back. hurp. Just one example of the media and it's influences...

I'm pretty sure without the media, we would have never been sold on that weapons of ass destruction in Iraq.

Before you get elected, you can't TAKE action. You have to explain what you think is wrong and what you aim to do. You think we'd be better off with candidates' ability to speak were strongly curtailed? I don't understand this at all.

"The Media" is an ENORMOUS collection of information sources. They repeat information they feel is interesting to their audience. In the case of national news you get, Idunno, election coverage? "Sold on" weapons of mass destruction? A lot of people in the government were "sold on" that too. I don't know how you don't remember this but I recall a lot of doubt/dissent in the media about that specific thing as well, it's just the the official sources were making their specific claims. Remember how when it was just sanctions the UN inspectors were claiming there was nothing? There was furious debate! I'll just quote myself since I can't write a better response than I already wrote:

Pretty much what Mono said, and I immediately regret using "media" as a blanket statement. That was unwise of me, and I pretty much agree with you. There are just some downright misleading things in the media is all (Glenn Beck is almost a paragon of this).

Yeah but you can't eliminate them swiftly without gross abrogations of very important rights. Longview, man; we've got to instill critical thinking skills, rhetorical concepts and such into people. They are inundated with knowledge now, they've got to learn to think critically and logically.

What, suddenly people are completely disabled before they get elected, since? :p

You're also trailing away from what I originally stated, which was to remove silly/non-productive mottos/sayings from this electoral process. This isn't a commercial "brand" or corporation. There was never an issue in regards to thinking candidates' ability to speak were strongly curtailed as a good idea, as I never implied it. Because that'd would be just silly. I specifically was addressing something, not "speaking" in general.

... and this is where things begin to get very ugly. Unfortunately, the majority of the time, people who are trying to get elected sugar coat and stuff with steroids everything they intend on "doing". Everyone does it and did it. From Obama to Bush etc.

You can only take so much from it all seriously. Especially the kind that WE all know they will not be able to do on their own (and especially if the majority of other people related to their position are against it). Those sorts of statements should be taken very lightly, if those are the cases. As they more than likely will not happen. It sounds pretty and nice, but it isn't reality.

What's best in these situations is to look at past track record, more than anything else. This is where it truly reveals a candidate's potential and true intentions.

I grantee you, had people actually done this with Bush, he wouldn't have ever gotten elected... but oh no, he's a catholic/christians/religious freak:

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me" -Bush

And everyone ate it up. hurp.

If they're just starting out, then obviously this will be harder to trace, but the positions you'd vote for them on wouldn't be as great or demanding... and even then you could find out what little they've done towards your local community. Be it volunteer work or maybe running a clean successful small business... whatever it may be.

In this specific case of FOX News... somehow I doubt they repeated info what they thought was "interesting" to their audience. Moar like what Rupert and his "Compadres" thought was "interesting".

I don't believe censorship is the answer either. Simply stated removing slogans creates a more even and open environment for a clean and direct campaign. No sugar-coating bullshit. It distracts form the true issues at hand. This isn't some punk rock show where the singer starts shouting random empty catchy slogans such as "ANARCHY IN THE UK!". It definitely shouldn't just some hip campaign the all the kids can buy into either.

Yeah, this is why I pointed out to something more specifically.. since he mentioned something much more general.

I'm aware there were certain people in various media outlets that were not sold on it, as well as officials and whatnot (hurp, me included). Regardless, the media in general is used to spread all this "official" info, and when it's official a lot of uneducated or people who simply don't care, simply accept it. If they news lady is telling me on the teli, then obviously it must be true! Why would the news lie to me! They never do!

This is why a lot of info simply regurgitated over and over by various sources can actually be quite detrimental when the person having to swallow it all is completely clueless to what is going on.

thus this is where we come to agree: